The upper class and other nations want us to fight so that they can go and improving and watch us destroy our selves. Peace at home peace in the WORLD, we are friends I’m Turkish and I want Greece to do well in EURO 2012 We share alot of history behind us
That guy at 0:41 should speak for himself >_>
So far, I have never met a single Turkish person that were ”taught to hate Greeks”. Neither here in the Netherlands (where I’m from) nor in Turkey itself (where I go to every summer break). This man’s parents are wrong. So, so wrong. I mean, what kind of a parent would raise their child up with hatred?! If I’d go around and teach my younger brothers to hate Greek people, then my parents would be pissed at me. Seriously.
LOL there is rivalry, there is obvious TURKISH DOMINATION in all fields: military, economy, people and football. Dont forget athens 1-4 turkish victory GAYREEKS!
Your (greeks) problem is , you lost what you were, turkish hatred had become a huge part of your id. Seriouly , turks are not like you . We don’t tell stories about greek wars to each other. My aunts husband fought in ypru , I’v never heard of him a story a curse from him. A delusional threat expectation from one last attacked 500 year ago. Is this normal ? Do you think would we attack cyprus if you hadn’t tried ennossis ? And to cover your intentions labeling us as barbarians. This is not fair.
No , Greece’s riot for being indepndent is completely understandable, but don’t mask it with something like attrocities or bad treat. In early 18th century after the defeat of great turkih war , ottomans manage to avenge the allies one by one , we seze the morea back rom venetians nd guess how ? By your help. Becaue at those religion was the itinctive id , you choosed us over the catholics (like 1453). Then nationalismm came and you rioted, nothing about treatment, history’s imperative.
Listen , turkish army’s direct order was to keep city unharmed and to avoid killing civilians, but it didn’t happen. Your direct orders might be to avoid attrocities too but direct orders are generally being alternated by the undercover orders you know… Nooone declares himself to be monsters while they are acting like monsters. Kemal’ direct order thing is a delusion buddy , it was nurettin pasha and even we don’t know it was his initiative or a secret mandate. Kemal used to hate Nurettin btw
Well burning of many cities in 90-95 per cent ratio , seems a bit organized yet I’m the man who said we had 500+ ma’s and you have 1.500+ mia’s in cyprus , so I think I’m not denying civilian deaths of our making. You and I isagree on the reaons. I say we both have embrassing guilts becase of human behaviours at war while you’re trying to identify us by these actions and accuse us to njoy these, I don’t accept it.
Yes but you killed in western anatolia and you burned cities in 90-95 per cent , and we didn’t kill greeks in anatolia or thesally when the 1821 mora riot began. I’m talking about the frontlines , please don’t evade that from 1922 to 1974 you weren’t better , you killed as any other man would, you’re trying to attach it to our nature , this is wrong. Let me give you an example from your legendary novelist kazancakis, in zorba he describes what happened in crete to turks.
When Turks started to slaughter and kill the Greeks of the Black Sea in 1912, Greeks didnt do the same with the Turks in Greece. When you killed the Smyrniots, we didnt kill the Turks in Greece. When you started a progrom against the Greeks in Constantinople 1955, we didnt do likewise with the Turks in Thrace. When you killed the Cyprios, we didnt do the same with the Turks in Thrace. Now they are 200.000 and cause many problems. But our nation showed magnitude while yours showed barbarism.
According to your argumentation, Greeks should have never gain for independence because Greece was 500 years under turkish rule. Smyrna, the Black Sea Coast and Constantinople had still large Greek population in 1919. These people deserved a free, equal life, exactly like the other Greeks who lived in what is now Greece. If you dont want to get attacked, dont occupy other peoples areas. Its that easy.
When my father served on Cyprus in 1978, there were many turkish POWs and deserteurs. There was not a single one treaten bad by Greek or Cypriot(!) soldiers. One time, a comrade of him was caught by turkish forces, they tortured and raped him before they send him back, shortly after that, he commited suicide. This is exactly the face of your coumtry. And you speak about honour.
Im not a Turk, I have the magnitude to accept the attrocities Greek soldiers commited in A. M. during the retreat. But this retreat was uncontrolled and our gov. couldnt do anything to stop them. All the attrocities against Turks in A.M. were against direct orders not to harm the population. On the other hand, the Smyrniots were killed by Kemals direct order. Again a difference between you and us. We ve never take revenge to innocent Turks for of the many crimes you commited to our people.
After the defeat your army got bloodlust , don’t deny it , the greek govrnment at the time accepted it. And there was greek soil we could nvade which we didn’t attempt. If you say you want to revive byzantine under greek flag that will make you the aggressor not us , I don’t want to be attacked for what happenned 500 years ago. This case is over get over it, we lost many places too, everyone suffered these kin of losses throughout the history.
And ask yourself the question why did your army “kill innocent civilians, POWs, rape women and children” in western anatolia in 1922 if you’re that european and civil ?
If I had destroyed the lands from thesaloniki to athens,I’m pretty sure that you would kill and sack the turks of western thrace, it is not about being european or something , it is rage, when a man sees dead bodies of his co-nationals he would want to avenge, thi is war and europeans had lots of them too. It is not about hate of anther nation it is about being slaughtered and humiliated.
I didn’t justify our intervention in the base that you killed our civilians , I meant at war rules don’t work properly. Yes you had eoka-b we had tmt I know. “Massive numbers….” is related to 1922 war of asia minor not cyprus, how could venizelos compensate something for the incidents happened in 1974 ??? Let’s put smething right , 1974 war happened because of the eoka-b coup , not for revenge or omething , even in my numbers the poll ratio is 1/3 in behalf of greeks.
I didn’t blame you for 1821 I just said we didn’t start it, wars are being fought in a savage manner unfortunately , look what germans did in ww2 were they a backward society ? You revolted otttomans tried to oppress it , this is the big picture. You won , congrats. 1821 didn’t turn out to be a massacre for all greeks in the empire , it was fought in mora. In 1987 papandreu ordered your navy to sink our probe in aegean which mean the same issue is cassus belli for both sides.
Well… excuse us that we didnt want to live under your rule in 1821… but its not that being the subject of an undeveloped state is the highest position Greeks would like to achieve. And after the Rum in a small part of your Empire revolted, you started massacres to Greeks in the whole Empire…innocent people who even to that time were loyal citizens… you ve never changed,today you still threaten us with a casus belli, you still have an agressive foreign policy, the eternal Atilla.
There was no Greek soil after 1461 you could invade. After that, you kept us as second class citizens for 400 years and we stayed mentally in the Middle Ages, while the other Europeans could develop. The wars we started after our independence had the goal to retake what was ours. We had much more rights on Smyrna and Constantinople than you had when you took these cities from us. Thank the Frensh, English amd Sowjets, who gave you weapons and betrayed us that we failed.
And no, even If I m disgusted of your nation and the crimes you commited and still commit, I wouldnt kill innocent civilians, POWs, rape women and children. Im a human and an European. Only you have this way of thinking, you always had. When you started to kill the Greeks in Asia Minor from 1912 to 1922, we refused to do the same to your people in Greece. And although there were killings of Turks from 1919-1922, there was NEVER a direct order to kill civilians… it was even strictly forbidden.
This is riddiculous… yes, there were atrocities against the Turkish Cypriots ( they had their own terrorist groups by the way which killed innocent civilians) but not “in massive numbers along the way”… the EOKA-B wasnt that big. I know the turkish newspaper articles you like to refer when this topic comes up. Its interesting that you never find them in neutral sources, and much more interesting that they are all dated after the turkish invasion…
I would kill greeks if I saw burned villages and murdered people in massive numbers along the way , you would too, let’s don’t deceive ourselves. We are being Atilla for centuries ? You know what the last assault to greek soil by us was about in 15th century. We didn’t start 1821 – 1897 or 1912. Even 1974 is debatable and it was already about cyprus. Aegean dispute is nothing but a potential oil reserve, you have most of the sea already.
Arminian genocide is highly worth of speaking yet pontian genocide is harsh to be described in that way, similiar incidents have happened to turks of balkans in late 19. and early 20th century , it is exile. I’m not fond of my leader as you think , but if it was turks it was Nurettin Pasha not him. And until smyrna maybe you should objectively inquiry the greek scorched earth in westrn anatolia from 30.08 to 09.09 , venizelos gave turkey land as compensation in Lousanne , it is true.
I mean , I don’t say my fateher can beat yours, I say greeks are in an delusional examination of courage against us, you defeated us in 1821 , in 1996 you were to sent us to poseidon , in 1987 usa saved us from you , in 1974 junta was traitors and ua again saved us from you , in 1922 you were sold out by allies. Why it is always a matter to defeat us ? It become a part of greek id, is it normal ? European ? Civil ? Peaceful ? Turks don’t fantesize war with greece like you do , believe or not…
The upper class and other nations want us to fight so that they can go and improving and watch us destroy our selves. Peace at home peace in the WORLD, we are friends I’m Turkish and I want Greece to do well in EURO 2012 We share alot of history behind us
That guy at 0:41 should speak for himself >_>
So far, I have never met a single Turkish person that were ”taught to hate Greeks”. Neither here in the Netherlands (where I’m from) nor in Turkey itself (where I go to every summer break). This man’s parents are wrong. So, so wrong. I mean, what kind of a parent would raise their child up with hatred?! If I’d go around and teach my younger brothers to hate Greek people, then my parents would be pissed at me. Seriously.
LOL there is rivalry, there is obvious TURKISH DOMINATION in all fields: military, economy, people and football. Dont forget athens 1-4 turkish victory GAYREEKS!
Your (greeks) problem is , you lost what you were, turkish hatred had become a huge part of your id. Seriouly , turks are not like you . We don’t tell stories about greek wars to each other. My aunts husband fought in ypru , I’v never heard of him a story a curse from him. A delusional threat expectation from one last attacked 500 year ago. Is this normal ? Do you think would we attack cyprus if you hadn’t tried ennossis ? And to cover your intentions labeling us as barbarians. This is not fair.
No , Greece’s riot for being indepndent is completely understandable, but don’t mask it with something like attrocities or bad treat. In early 18th century after the defeat of great turkih war , ottomans manage to avenge the allies one by one , we seze the morea back rom venetians nd guess how ? By your help. Becaue at those religion was the itinctive id , you choosed us over the catholics (like 1453). Then nationalismm came and you rioted, nothing about treatment, history’s imperative.
Listen , turkish army’s direct order was to keep city unharmed and to avoid killing civilians, but it didn’t happen. Your direct orders might be to avoid attrocities too but direct orders are generally being alternated by the undercover orders you know… Nooone declares himself to be monsters while they are acting like monsters. Kemal’ direct order thing is a delusion buddy , it was nurettin pasha and even we don’t know it was his initiative or a secret mandate. Kemal used to hate Nurettin btw
Well burning of many cities in 90-95 per cent ratio , seems a bit organized yet I’m the man who said we had 500+ ma’s and you have 1.500+ mia’s in cyprus , so I think I’m not denying civilian deaths of our making. You and I isagree on the reaons. I say we both have embrassing guilts becase of human behaviours at war while you’re trying to identify us by these actions and accuse us to njoy these, I don’t accept it.
Yes but you killed in western anatolia and you burned cities in 90-95 per cent , and we didn’t kill greeks in anatolia or thesally when the 1821 mora riot began. I’m talking about the frontlines , please don’t evade that from 1922 to 1974 you weren’t better , you killed as any other man would, you’re trying to attach it to our nature , this is wrong. Let me give you an example from your legendary novelist kazancakis, in zorba he describes what happened in crete to turks.
When Turks started to slaughter and kill the Greeks of the Black Sea in 1912, Greeks didnt do the same with the Turks in Greece. When you killed the Smyrniots, we didnt kill the Turks in Greece. When you started a progrom against the Greeks in Constantinople 1955, we didnt do likewise with the Turks in Thrace. When you killed the Cyprios, we didnt do the same with the Turks in Thrace. Now they are 200.000 and cause many problems. But our nation showed magnitude while yours showed barbarism.
According to your argumentation, Greeks should have never gain for independence because Greece was 500 years under turkish rule. Smyrna, the Black Sea Coast and Constantinople had still large Greek population in 1919. These people deserved a free, equal life, exactly like the other Greeks who lived in what is now Greece. If you dont want to get attacked, dont occupy other peoples areas. Its that easy.
When my father served on Cyprus in 1978, there were many turkish POWs and deserteurs. There was not a single one treaten bad by Greek or Cypriot(!) soldiers. One time, a comrade of him was caught by turkish forces, they tortured and raped him before they send him back, shortly after that, he commited suicide. This is exactly the face of your coumtry. And you speak about honour.
Im not a Turk, I have the magnitude to accept the attrocities Greek soldiers commited in A. M. during the retreat. But this retreat was uncontrolled and our gov. couldnt do anything to stop them. All the attrocities against Turks in A.M. were against direct orders not to harm the population. On the other hand, the Smyrniots were killed by Kemals direct order. Again a difference between you and us. We ve never take revenge to innocent Turks for of the many crimes you commited to our people.
After the defeat your army got bloodlust , don’t deny it , the greek govrnment at the time accepted it. And there was greek soil we could nvade which we didn’t attempt. If you say you want to revive byzantine under greek flag that will make you the aggressor not us , I don’t want to be attacked for what happenned 500 years ago. This case is over get over it, we lost many places too, everyone suffered these kin of losses throughout the history.
And ask yourself the question why did your army “kill innocent civilians, POWs, rape women and children” in western anatolia in 1922 if you’re that european and civil ?
If I had destroyed the lands from thesaloniki to athens,I’m pretty sure that you would kill and sack the turks of western thrace, it is not about being european or something , it is rage, when a man sees dead bodies of his co-nationals he would want to avenge, thi is war and europeans had lots of them too. It is not about hate of anther nation it is about being slaughtered and humiliated.
I didn’t justify our intervention in the base that you killed our civilians , I meant at war rules don’t work properly. Yes you had eoka-b we had tmt I know. “Massive numbers….” is related to 1922 war of asia minor not cyprus, how could venizelos compensate something for the incidents happened in 1974 ??? Let’s put smething right , 1974 war happened because of the eoka-b coup , not for revenge or omething , even in my numbers the poll ratio is 1/3 in behalf of greeks.
I didn’t blame you for 1821 I just said we didn’t start it, wars are being fought in a savage manner unfortunately , look what germans did in ww2 were they a backward society ? You revolted otttomans tried to oppress it , this is the big picture. You won , congrats. 1821 didn’t turn out to be a massacre for all greeks in the empire , it was fought in mora. In 1987 papandreu ordered your navy to sink our probe in aegean which mean the same issue is cassus belli for both sides.
Well… excuse us that we didnt want to live under your rule in 1821… but its not that being the subject of an undeveloped state is the highest position Greeks would like to achieve. And after the Rum in a small part of your Empire revolted, you started massacres to Greeks in the whole Empire…innocent people who even to that time were loyal citizens… you ve never changed,today you still threaten us with a casus belli, you still have an agressive foreign policy, the eternal Atilla.
There was no Greek soil after 1461 you could invade. After that, you kept us as second class citizens for 400 years and we stayed mentally in the Middle Ages, while the other Europeans could develop. The wars we started after our independence had the goal to retake what was ours. We had much more rights on Smyrna and Constantinople than you had when you took these cities from us. Thank the Frensh, English amd Sowjets, who gave you weapons and betrayed us that we failed.
And no, even If I m disgusted of your nation and the crimes you commited and still commit, I wouldnt kill innocent civilians, POWs, rape women and children. Im a human and an European. Only you have this way of thinking, you always had. When you started to kill the Greeks in Asia Minor from 1912 to 1922, we refused to do the same to your people in Greece. And although there were killings of Turks from 1919-1922, there was NEVER a direct order to kill civilians… it was even strictly forbidden.
This is riddiculous… yes, there were atrocities against the Turkish Cypriots ( they had their own terrorist groups by the way which killed innocent civilians) but not “in massive numbers along the way”… the EOKA-B wasnt that big. I know the turkish newspaper articles you like to refer when this topic comes up. Its interesting that you never find them in neutral sources, and much more interesting that they are all dated after the turkish invasion…
San Marino U21 —- Grece U21 0-0 :))))) THIS IS THE BIGGEST SHOCK IN FOOTBALLL …..EVER ……do young greeks even know what football is ?????
I would kill greeks if I saw burned villages and murdered people in massive numbers along the way , you would too, let’s don’t deceive ourselves. We are being Atilla for centuries ? You know what the last assault to greek soil by us was about in 15th century. We didn’t start 1821 – 1897 or 1912. Even 1974 is debatable and it was already about cyprus. Aegean dispute is nothing but a potential oil reserve, you have most of the sea already.
Arminian genocide is highly worth of speaking yet pontian genocide is harsh to be described in that way, similiar incidents have happened to turks of balkans in late 19. and early 20th century , it is exile. I’m not fond of my leader as you think , but if it was turks it was Nurettin Pasha not him. And until smyrna maybe you should objectively inquiry the greek scorched earth in westrn anatolia from 30.08 to 09.09 , venizelos gave turkey land as compensation in Lousanne , it is true.
I mean , I don’t say my fateher can beat yours, I say greeks are in an delusional examination of courage against us, you defeated us in 1821 , in 1996 you were to sent us to poseidon , in 1987 usa saved us from you , in 1974 junta was traitors and ua again saved us from you , in 1922 you were sold out by allies. Why it is always a matter to defeat us ? It become a part of greek id, is it normal ? European ? Civil ? Peaceful ? Turks don’t fantesize war with greece like you do , believe or not…